Secretary-General’s remarks at encounter with James Shaw
Today I had the opportunity to meet with New Zealand
youth that are really in the front line of climate action.
They very clearly recognize that we face a climate emergency
and that we need to reverse the present trend which climate
change is running faster than what we are.
I
mentioned a few minutes ago that here from the Pacific we
must send a very clear message to Governments around the
world because political will is not yet able to accompany
the pace of climate change and the message from the Pacific
to Governments around the world is that indeed it is
important to move taxes from salaries to carbon, to tax
pollution and not people, that subsidies for fossil fuels
must end, tax payers money cannot be used to boost
hurricanes to expand drought and heatwaves, to bleach corals
or to melt glaciers and that we need to stop the
construction of coal power plants from 2020 onwards because
we need a green economy not a grey economy in the
world.
It was very reassuring to see that here in New
Zealand there is a strong commitment of the Government in
order to reach carbon neutrality in 2050 as the scientific
community is asking as a way to guarantee a that at the end
of the century we will not have more than 1.5 degrees of
warming and at the same time a strong commitment to support
the people that might be impacted by climate action.
I
believe that today for instance renewable energy is much
more profitable, is much cheaper, than fossil fuel energy,
but if you are a coal miner you also need an answer to your
anxiety - that is why the government of New Zealand is
totally committed to address the concerns of those in
agriculture or in industry that might be impacted by climate
action to make sure there is a just transition, to make sure
that everybody will be taken care of, to make sure that
nobody will be left behind because that is the only way to
mobilize the public opinions everywhere in the world in
favour of climate action to make sure that we are going to
defeat climate change .
So I am very grateful for the
leadership provided by the government of New Zealand and
very reassured to see the dynamism of the youth of New
Zealand that has been a lesson for me.
Thank
you.
Question: You talked about a political tax and I
was wondering in terms of New Zealand are you specifically
calling on the New Zealand Government to adopt a tax on
pollution?
SG: New Zealand has a plan, as legislation
introduced. There are different ways to get the objective,
the objective very clear, it is to make sure that the end of
the century we only have an increase of temperature of 1.5
degrees. What for that is necessary is reach carbon
neutrality in 2050. There are different instruments,
depending on the structure of the economy to do it. Carbon
pricing is one of the instruments and there is carbon
pricing included in the case of New Zealand.
Now one
of the forms of these carbon pricing there are several is
through tax. But what I recommended is not to tax carbon and
do nothing else. If those that want to tax carbon they
should at the same time reduce the tax on salaries, to
support jobs at the same time that they charge carbon. We
need to make sure when we adopt measures that increase costs
that we reduce costs in other aspects of the economy.
What is very important is not to say let's increase
tax on carbon what I say is that shift taxes on jobs, taxes
on salaries, reducing them and eventually increasing the
taxation on carbon. But there are other mechanisms to do it
as you know there are systems of markets that are already
working in the European Union, in India and China, there are
different mechanisms. But one of them is of course to shift
taxing from the income coming from salaries to
carbon.
Question: Mr. Guterres, how is your carbon
bill here in New Zealand that you refer to it has been
criticised there is not containing and mechanisms for it to
be enforced and I was wondering if this is a concern that
you have with countries around the world that perhaps there
is not enough actual enforcement and too much
talk.
SG: Well I think it is very important to have
legislation and I think that in a democratic country there
are different ways to guarantee enforcement and one of them
is the accountability of governments towards their own
population. New Zealand is a country with a strong
democratic tradition, so I am not worried about lack of
accountability in New Zealand.
Question: Mr. Guterres
today eight Torres Strait Islanders are launching a, are
putting a legal case before the United Nations against the
Australian Government under human rights legislation for not
protecting their climate change concerns, do you think this
is a good thing and do you think this is the way forward for
many Pacific countries to deal with the inaction?
SG:
Any people that feel that their human rights are violated
have instruments namely like the High Commission for Human
Rights or the Human Rights Council to present their cases. I
don't make any comment on any specific case - but of course
the human rights legislation is an instrument that is at
service for those that feel that their human rights have
been violated.
Question: Secretary-General do you hope
that a change of government in Australia this weekend will
lead to a nation more committed to tackling climate
change?
SG: One of the things that I have learnt that
is that no Secretary-General should make any comments on the
elections in any country.
Question: Did you have a
chance to have a chat with any of our school kids and were
you particularly impressed by any initiatives or any of
their passions?
SG: Oh yes, I must confess I found the
school kids extremely committed and very interesting because
not only committed to climate action but committed to make
sure that climate action is able to address other challenges
namely grievances of indigenous people or problems with
people with disability.
And I think that this vision,
which is a comprehensive vision, is very much linked to our
concept of leaving no-one behind. We cannot only be focused
on one thing we need to look at the whole of the problems of
society and try to find comprehensive solutions for the
problems of societies at national level and for a fair
globalization at a global level and that I must say was very
impressed by the open mind of the students that I met here
because they were not looking into specific aspects of
climate change, they were looking into how to integrate
climate change in a much broader perspective for peace and
justice in the world.
Question: Mr. Guterres have you
given our government any specific advice to what New Zealand
could be doing to combat climate change here in New
Zealand?
SG: Move ahead.
What I would like to
underline is the very strong commitment of the Government of
New Zealand to support small island Pacific states and to
build resilience because we know that unfortunately all our
efforts about mitigation about reduction of emissions are
not being followed in many other countries not everybody is
doing what New Zealand is doing so we need to support the
Pacific Island States in relation to adaptation, we need to
build New Zealand to support them on that and New Zealand
has a very strong commitment to that objective and I am very
grateful for that.