Winston Peters on The Nation
Headlines:
Winston Peters says New Zealand First would block the sale of Lochinver Station, if it’s in government or holds balance of power on cross-benches
“Every New Zealander out there who's
looking at this programme can trust my word on this. Not
because I say it now, but because I've done it. We would not
allow this deal.”
Peters goes further on foreign
investment as a bottom-line: “we will not go into any
arrangement with any party that think they can go on doing
this. That’s it.”
He says a million hectares of New Zealand land has been sold to foreign interests since John Key came to power – equal to six Stewart Islands.
Insists he was not wrong about Huka Lodge – “I know
it’s for sale”
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Patrick Gower: You're back with The Nation.
Parliament has barely risen and the campaign curveballs have
already started flying. Foreign ownership is suddenly an
issue, with Lochinver Station near Taupo up for sale. Crafar
Farms owner Shanghai Pengxin has an agreement to buy another
13,000ha of what was marketed as iconic farmland, subject to
Overseas Investment Office approval. Conservatives leader
Colin Craig broke the story yesterday and promised to block
the purchase should he get into government, but what would
Winston do? Mr Peters, good morning.
Winston Peters:
Good morning.
You heard Steven Joyce there call this
station a 'ridiculously small piece of land'. What do you
make of that?
Well, he doesn't know anything about the
station, obviously, or its size or admit the fact that since
he and Mr Key came to power, they've seen sold under them to
foreign interests over a million hectares. That's six times
the size of Stewart Island. It's not a small piece of area
when you look at it that way.
And this farm, obviously,
at 70,000ha [ccn: 13,800] is not small either.
It's huge.
It's an icon, and people forget that back when it was being
developed, there were all sorts of government assistance
programmes, like marginal loans, with low concessionary
interest rates to help these farms being developed. They
bought on a New Zealand-only market; they got New Zealand
taxpayer assistance; and now it's going to foreign
interests. This is a disaster.
So, we know you're against
the sale, but if you got anywhere near power, in some sort
of government arrangement with either side, Labour or
National, after this election, what would you actually do?
What would New Zealand First do about this sale?
Mr
Gower, I so believe in this principle that I walked out of a
cabinet as a Deputy Prime Minister and treasurer over a
strategic asset sale to foreign interests. Why would anyone
doubt my word on it?
But could you actually block it with
the Overseas Investment Office now? Is this just talk? Could
you do anything?
No, no. I don't believe in talk. You
know what my credibility or my bona fide on this is. I
walked out of cabinet, second post in the country.
I am
aware of that. How could you stop this deal now, though?
It's in train.
No, no, no. The fact of the matter is it
requires OIO approval. The fact is it's a rubber stamp. It's
a long way to go, and it won't be approved before the
election. I'm pretty certain of that.
So a government
minister has to tick that off? Would you go into a
government that would be prepared to—
Two
ministers.
Two ministers. Would you go into a government
that is prepared to sign it off, or not? Or would you say,
'I will not go into a government that will sign off this
deal?'
Every New Zealander out there who's looking at
this programme can trust my word on this. Not because I say
it now, but because I've done it. We would not allow this
deal.
OK, so if that's not signed; you're in government,
you won't let National ministers sign this off?
If we
were on the crossbenches with the balance of power as well,
we would stop this deal.
So you can stop this
thing?
We believe so, yes. But hang on. One corollary. If
the New Zealand people are opposed to this, then they must
step up themselves. Don't think they can vote any old
way
You would do that. You would— I need you to be
really clear on this. You would withdraw an offer of supply
or confidence to a National government if they were prepared
to tick this off? You would say to them, 'You have to
decline this sale— Your ministers have to decline this
sale or you don't get us across the line.
You guys know
what our position is. We are not selling our soul or this
country's soul. And we are against this sale, and we will
not be going into any arrangement with any party that think
they can go on doing this. That's it. I don't wanna be
wasting my time answering these questions, because the
serious issue here is— I've answered the question. The
serious issue is God's not making any more land. New
Zealanders are being shut out of their own country. They
can't get 2% interest rates to buy Lochinver. No, no.
They're up against a huge competitive interest disadvantage.
And all this is going on under the government's nose, that
refuses to keep a land and home register; you've got a
housing bubble here in Auckland; interest rates going up all
over the country. And you think the New Zealand people want
this to go on? I don't believe that. And that's why I say
— if the people in this country wake up and front up on
Election Day, this deal and deals like this and the kind of
overseas buying that's going on wholesale in this country
will stop. And New Zealand First will make sure it does
stop.
OK. And quite a big week for you with John Key
killing off your main opposition in Colin Craig.
He
wasn't.
He got the break on you yesterday. This is
the kinda thing you should be doing. You got it wrong with
Huka Falls Lodge; Colin Craig got it right with this
station. You're losing your mojo?
No, no. Just stop a
second. Who says I got it wrong with Huka Lodge?
I
do.
Why don't you call up Mr van Heeren? Have you?
You're saying again that—?
I have sources that you
guys don't have.
You're not going back on
your—?
Why don't you call up Mr van Heeren and say, 'Is
there a sale transaction offer out there now or what?' Or
why don't you look in the background of Mr van Heeren's
business engagements.
You're still saying Huka Falls
Lodge is shifting—?
I know it's for sale.
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